The Super-Magical Logical Hatred Thread!

[CaptainRobin]

TK user with an ED section... ouch. I wonder if his right hand even gives it to him anymore.

Devin: I sympathize with all of your points, and I'll even agree with audition posts but only in that the essence and meat of a post is largely dependent on those who post around and pertaining to it. It takes a special brand of inability to post so poorly that you can't chalk up to posts around you. Granted, I like auditions because sometimes, it helps weed out people who cram posts full of completely inane crap like where their hair blows and every movement of every little thing pertaining to them. It's one thing to snap-judge someone who's just not going to chalk up, but the sneaky ones are those who chalk over.

As for your judging of anime pictures, I won't disagree, but I will say that using pictures as a basis for judging people is still a ridiculous notion because picture notwithstanding, people are equally capable of extremely idiotic behavior and I've met more than my fair share of people who "OMG HAET ANIMU PITARZ" and yet couldn't write their way through an open fucking door without making it seem like they think their character's the main character in a really, really long-winded novel about mundane, everyday actions. The people I hate the most are the ones that use that sort of grainy, weird set of female pictures that aspire to a realistic appearance-- they always have either a medieval, or medieval-gothic feel to them... I won't point out usernames, but I'm sure you could pick up on the art. They always either fill their posts with fluff, or they have that really annoying habit,where their spacebar,stops functioning,after all the terribly, Terribly Placed punctuation,And they always Capitalize things incorrectly.

Also, I hate people who outright list sexual preference in a profile. There is very, very, very rarely any need for it, and it's not a very subtle way to ask for e-boinking.


...so, I've heard of the rest (wasn't aware Hurricane was a pervert), but who's Icefyre? (and who in their right mind spells "fire" with a "y" these days? I didn't even do that when I was 5 and it was cool)

[Soja]

The people I hate the most are the ones that use that sort of grainy, weird set of female pictures that aspire to a realistic appearance-- they always have either a medieval, or medieval-gothic feel to them...

The artist of all of those images is Luis Royo, who is prolific for just the sort of work you described his as.

I personally like most of his art, but I also think it's way overused hereabouts.

Also, I hate people who outright list sexual preference in a profile. There is very, very, very rarely any need for it, and it's not a very subtle way to ask for e-boinking.

The listing of sexual preference isn't so annoying to me as a relationship status field with a wistful response about how they are single and lonely following is. That's more obvious a way of asking for e-boinking than sexual preference, methinks.

Mostly, I don't like either because that's one less thing to figure out through RP.

...so, I've heard of the rest (wasn't aware Hurricane was a pervert), but who's Icefyre? (and who in their right mind spells "fire" with a "y" these days? I didn't even do that when I was 5 and it was cool)

Icefyer (sorry, I "misspelled" the name) is a, uh, furry. Specifically, one that enjoys playing corpulent characters. Here's one such profile of its: Melody_.

I had to look through my history for this. My mind blocked it and I couldn't remember the name offhand.

[Shamesmerizer]

People who post compliments in their profile.

It's nice that people appreciate your profile, and, if it makes you feel good about yourself, you can read them once in a while, but I don't want to. It makes me less inclined to leave you a compliment because I know you will display it to the world.

kthx.

[Jason Baane]

It's not really my place to say this, considering the nature of my main character and the setting I help to maintain. But I am a little frustrated by the prevalence of science fiction characters. Nuclear cluster bombs vs. a medieval fantasy rogue just isn't very fun.

[Pitch]

It's not really my place to say this, considering the nature of my main character and the setting I help to maintain. But I am a little frustrated by the prevalence of science fiction characters. Nuclear cluster bombs vs. a medieval fantasy rogue just isn't very fun.

Yeah but, Baane isnt necessarily fantasy, either. Not to mention the site -is- freeform, after all.

[Jason Baane]

As I said, not my place. And I acknowledge the place is no-holds-barred freeform. But I like to think I keep it pretty tame, to the point that my character doesn't much fight; and when he does, I don't have him throw radioactive cluster munitions on people from behind the safety of a force field.

I know that there are going to be characters like this, but the paradigm has shifted to the point that people seem to be making characters like this in a sort of mutually assured destruction doctrine.

[SilverStreak]

People who post compliments in their profile.

It's nice that people appreciate your profile, and, if it makes you feel good about yourself, you can read them once in a while, but I don't want to. It makes me less inclined to leave you a compliment because I know you will display it to the world.

kthx.

Pies for this.

This goes along with having a dedicated "OOC" profile. That I can more or less understand, but all too often, like you've touched on, they just become walls of self-reference and self-congratulation.

I guess an OOC profile that talks about one's hobbies or interests is a bit too predictable and passé for The Keep eh?

[CaptainRobin]

Pies for this.

This goes along with having a dedicated "OOC" profile. That I can more or less understand, but all too often, like you've touched on, they just become walls of self-reference and self-congratulation.

I guess an OOC profile that talks about one's hobbies or interests is a bit too predictable and passé for The Keep eh?

Or unnecessary. If you wanted people to know about you, the person, in such a deliberated fashion, TK might be the wrong place for you; I believe the hot sites for that nowadays are places like Lavalife.

On that note, though, really-- the compliments part is very true. It's kind of arrogant, and generally meaningless anyways; most compliments are on female profiles, or male 'evil' characters. I'll leave the conclusions to be drawn by the individual, here.

[Kill Boy]

I admit I can be a little critical of a person's profile and I've been known to roll my eyes at a few profiles from time to time but ultimately I don't have many things I really dislike. It is hard for me to wrack my brain as I'm pretty chill with whatever someone wants to play. I have to be because if I'm not, how can I expect other people to be chill with whatever bizarro or seemingly generic character I might have. If I had any sort of pet peeve it would be a person's OOC behavior more than their IC behavior, especially when their OOC behavior influences their IC behavior and little bits of their own opinion seep into their post.

I can agree on Icefyre and the furry bit I'm kind of meh on.

I also dislike this movement of player apathy I see and I know I've been guilty of it from time to time. A person comes into the lobby and talks about how there are really no characters/rooms that they find any interest in or they see something they dislike or they lose interest. I think a lot of us forget that way back in the day our characters might have or really kind of sucked too. I know I look back at some of my old ideas and I cringe. I haven't RPed a lot in TK but I've developed a policy where when I do RP and I meet someone with a profile that looks iffy or a personality that might clash I still attempt to RP because it might turn out differently.

As I've said, I'm guilty of having done it in the past but I don't have to be happy about it.

I know I kind of fail at the logical hatred thread. :/

[Moondog]

I admit I can be a little critical of a person's profile and I've been known to roll my eyes at a few profiles from time to time but ultimately I don't have many things I really dislike. It is hard for me to wrack my brain as I'm pretty chill with whatever someone wants to play. I have to be because if I'm not, how can I expect other people to be chill with whatever bizarro or seemingly generic character I might have. If I had any sort of pet peeve it would be a person's OOC behavior more than their IC behavior, especially when their OOC behavior influences their IC behavior and little bits of their own opinion seep into their post.

I can agree on Icefyre and the furry bit I'm kind of meh on.

I also dislike this movement of player apathy I see and I know I've been guilty of it from time to time. A person comes into the lobby and talks about how there are really no characters/rooms that they find any interest in or they see something they dislike or they lose interest. I think a lot of us forget that way back in the day our characters might have or really kind of sucked too. I know I look back at some of my old ideas and I cringe. I haven't RPed a lot in TK but I've developed a policy where when I do RP and I meet someone with a profile that looks iffy or a personality that might clash I still attempt to RP because it might turn out differently.

As I've said, I'm guilty of having done it in the past but I don't have to be happy about it.

I know I kind of fail at the logical hatred thread. :/

Thank you, KB. I keep pointing this out every time people start going 'BAWW IT WAS BETTER BACK IN THE DAY"

[Jason Baane]

I also dislike this movement of player apathy I see and I know I've been guilty of it from time to time. A person comes into the lobby and talks about how there are really no characters/rooms that they find any interest in or they see something they dislike or they lose interest. I think a lot of us forget that way back in the day our characters might have or really kind of sucked too. I know I look back at some of my old ideas and I cringe. I haven't RPed a lot in TK but I've developed a policy where when I do RP and I meet someone with a profile that looks iffy or a personality that might clash I still attempt to RP because it might turn out differently.

This is a noble approach and more people should be like you.

[Vivi]

Oy, when testing out a new chara I either don't write any profile at all or write a really bad one in a few seconds. It does irk me when people refuse to play with someone solely over lack of or relatively brief profile, you never know, it could be a long time player that just doesn't want to write a profile for a character idea that they don't know if they want to keep or not yet.

Of course this is coming from the player whose IC profile has changed only twice in 12 years.

[CaptainRobin]

I support the various people sporting the opinion of how "good" it was "back in the day." It was "good" only in the very same fashion that our childhood was any better than our adulthood (assuming most of us are 20+); we were naive to all the bad things and lived in a coddled, sheltered little shell of all the good things. Consequences were at a minimum, rewards were at an all-time high. But really, it was the exact same; all the bad things were still happening, and we were still subject to the cycle of mediocre "work to avoid consequence."

It's the same with RP, I figure-- I look back at some of the things I did in RP settings and just want to hurt myself for being so god awful, but then, it's because of that that I got here, in a way. I try to maintain an open mind when RPing in this way (except for people who decide that BECAUSE FREEFORM LOL, I CAN DO WHAT I WANT AND SCREW ANACHRONISMS) and generally accept most offers that come my way, provided they're ideas that really have any depth or potential (IE: I rarely subject myself to the horrible, horrible wankfest that IC combat can become, and I won't sit there and air someone's requests to do strictly cyber RPs)... and I've RPed with those odd people whose spacebar ceases to function after they hit the period button.

On that note, I hate people who rant that "it's freeform, they just have to deal with anything that comes by." For one, that's hypocrisy, because they're the ones being obstinate about something that came in their way. For another, that's making the awfully bold statement that they've never, ever bitched about something happening IC in their room that just generally breaks flow in one way or another. If they haven't-- kudos, but that doesn't really give them the right to ruin other peoples' RP at their whim and whimsy.

Seriously, freeform works as much one way as it does the opposite. It's true that it is indeed freeform and it should be flexible, but it stands very much true that by that flexibility, every room does not need to be your personal playground because it is within the scope of that flexibility to assume that there is indeed room to create an environment that does not need to be subject to "whatever, whenever."

As for the people who ridicule brief profiles or ones without pictures, well, screw them. Brevity is beautiful, and even though I break the rule myself, I advocate that profiles should describe your character's raw, discernable appearance and any items consistently on their person so that you don't take an entire paragraph on every entry to describe every detail about them down to the color of each lock of their hair. Besides, short profiles leave more to find out IC, and that's what RP is about-- IC interaction. Right?

[Devin`Asures]

and that's what RP is about-- IC interaction. Right?

Damn straight it is.

Also, I'm not too sure on TK's definition of "free form". Where I came from, I think free form meant role play that required no dice or 'rules' like how Dungeons & Dragons has rules (attacks of opportunity, levels, classes etc), but on TK people do seem to treat "free form" to mean whatever whenever like Robin said. To me, that idea is horrible! When I was a neophyte, my RP spot had a "whatever whenever" attitude, so we had medieval swordsmen meeting samurai, Jedi, and endless anime characters. That was considered ok until the majority of the player base matured, grew up, and evolved as role players. Most of us decided that having sub machine gune alongside broadswords or lightsabres was just plain silly. (Of course this shift to a unified setting came with its own issues, so it wasn't perfect). So, even with the change in tech level/time genre, we still considered our RP to be free form, because we had no game rules. Room rules and AUP don't count as RP rules in my opinion (for example room rules like "all players must ask a mod before posting").
So yeah, I'm very confused by what TK natives define "free form" as, and I've been using TK for almost 3 years now! (Oh christ, has it been THAT long? Seems like only yesterday...)

So I realise that bit up there wasn't really a haterant, and to rectify this, I'll now rant to keep with the spirit of this thread.

Now someone up there mentioned people and their "plz don't steal" messages in profiles where the picture is some shittily (yeah I made it a verb) altered image, or just an image with the character's retarded name MSpainted on somewhere in the frame.
I wholeheartedly agree with this!! The amount of shit images (most of them either of barely clothed porn stars, slutty looking women, or anime characters) that I see with dumb names like "Harmony Starfire" written in purple Monotye Corsiva on them boggles the bloody mind, and then the loser has the audacity to add a disclaimer in their profile telling people not to steal their image when they have so clearly stolen it themselves! Hell, I saw one profile that read something like "and don't steal my image because there's nothing I hate more than seeing someone with the same image, and I had it first" with some idiotic thread added. Another read "plz don't steal my image, I looked really hard to find a fitting character image, so please don't steal it". Jesusfuck. They LOOKED hard for an image? What about the artist who WORKED hard on that image for something else? And the irony was that the image I'm thinking of was some dumb pink haired anime bitch anyway. (I also acknowledge that not everyone can do their own character art, so they have little choice but to steal, but I only accept this when they don't make those lame ass plz don't steal messages)
Another thing that really pisses me off is other users who, when they see that I do my own art for RP (find me on DeviantArt, shameless plug "Lancerey"), they want to show me their "work", which is often hosted on photobucket or something where the majority of the pictures are stolen anyway! People shouldn't fucking show me a gallery full of obviously edited pictures thrown in with some dodgy scanned pencil sketch manga style and tell me it's all their own work. You can tell when someone's really done something, because they'll have other work that resembles their art, not stuff all over the place, like a few smudgy sketches, then some brilliantly rendered battle scene, and then some whore done in a completely different style. If I was a nasty person (and no, I'm not being nasty in this thread), I'd call them a fraud tell them to fuck off. Another telltale sign that someone's stealing art or editing someone else's work is that they won't have a DeviantArt account, or any other art site account where images might be subject to that site's plagiarism policies. No one can deny that sites like photobucket, myspace, imageshack and tinypic don't bother to check if the images they host are copyrighted or not, and I'm sure the viewers of said images don't bother reporting images they recognise as stolen either. Sites like DeviantArt DO, and this is why the bullshitters and shitty editors don't have them. Whenever I ask them "ooh, do you have a DA account?" they always say no. Why? Because they know their "art" would get found out and banned!

Having said all of that, I don't mind well done photoedits, especially when the user doesn't bother to try and tell people not to steal. People who don't ask "plz don't steal" are probably rational individuals who know that they stole the image themselves, and understand that that's just how art theft works, so they don't bother kicking up a fuss.
Oh, or they're the type of player that just ditches a character every few hours, finds a new anime image they like, and decides to make  a "character" out of it. I also think it's bullshit if you make a character to fit some dumbass image you find just because you like the way it looks. Way not to have any originality or creativity. And don't try the "thinking up a story and personality for an image IS creative!" argument, because that's bullshit too, and you know it.

Oh, and as someone who does do their own character art/art in general? (fuck I hate the word 'art'. It's so bloody pretentious) I've always thought to myself that if I saw someone on TK stealing one of my images to use as their char, I'd be flattered because it means my work is good enough for someone to want it. As long as they don't edit the picture, slap a name on it, or the queen mother of all art sins, claim it as their own work. If it ever really happens and someone uses my work without my consent? Well, we'll see how I feel then. My mind could change.

[Kade]

Epic thread. Loved reading it all. I've agreed with a lot and disagreed with a little, but I'm going to take a stab at raising a point that hasn't been mentioned yet.

Disclaimer: I might only feel this way because I'm one of those strange people that's inclined to have as few characters as possible, with one being the target number.

*Deep breath.*

I've noticed that there seems to be a growing amount of people feeling nostalgic about the proverbial good old days, enough so that they actually talk about it in public. I like these stories, because I like hearing about just what it was that made certain storylines and plots special enough to be timeless to the players involved. I've listened to dozens upon dozens of these stories, and it never gets old. The only problem with this is that these jaded, nostalgic, formerly-avid roleplayers are also the ones that complain about how things just don't seem to interest them anymore. Sometimes it's because they think the players are too immature, sometimes it's because they think there are problems with OOC, sometimes it's because they think the general level of skill has gone down, etc. Whatever the reason, I've got my own theory.

Here's what I hate:

I hate people with too many characters. Some players can manage all of their of characters very well, and this haterant isn't for them, but I am very annoyed with players that complain about RP when they can't even stick to a character for more than a few weeks, especially when the character in question only sees use a handful of times before it's put away on a shelf to collect dust. It's as though some players have stopped being roleplayers and have instead become mere character-generators. I understand that generating a character can be an exciting, inventive, creative process, but I don't think it should ever become a substitute for actual roleplay. It's my personal opinion that if these people could actually commit to a character, they'd find that there really isn't as much to complain about as they think.

The way I see it, there are two classifications of people with too many characters. I've taken to calling them ADD and DC players.

- ADD players lose interest quickly. Most new characters take a while to get going purely because they just don't know anyone yet. I can't think of a single nostalgia-story I've heard that didn't involve characters interacting with one another. Magnetic stories just don't happen alone, so new characters need some time to make friends, enemies, and acquaintances before anything interesting can happen. ADD players (from Attention Deficit Disorder, if it wasn't obvious enough) just can't seem to make it over that hump. I feel that first impression roleplays get a little repetitive, but I also feel that one can end up with a well-immersed, and thereby interesting to play, character if one could just stick it through for the haul. For myself, ADD players are sort of a hassle to RP with because in the back of my head I fear that whatever progress is made will be lost as soon as the ADD player loses interest and moves onto a new character. I realize that this sort of thinking only further starves ADD players, completing a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts, but I just can't help it. RP is an investment of time, and I'd like my time to count for something.

- DC players circumvent the issue of their new character needing some time to make friends, enemies, and acquaintances by making characters that already have those bonds, or have those bonds easily accessible to them. These characters are usually involved in groups, clans, or other forms of organized roleplay, making them dependent on the storyline they've been tailored to. I call them Dependent Characters, hence DC player. Sometimes I feel that DC players have too many characters when their characters stop seeing use outside of their respective bubbles. Organized roleplays come, go, and hiberate fairly often, so troubled DC players end up with characters that come, go, and hibernate fairly often as well. I feel this can make for a pretty distasteful roleplay experience, but it's my opinion that if these troubled DC players weren't so dependent on essentially spoonfed storylines this problem could be ameliorated.

[Devin`Asures]

I normally ignore the fuck out of Kade, but I wholeheartedly agree with everything he said about what he calls ADD and DC players. I share the same frustrations exactly.

Pie for you, assface.

[Kade]

I normally ignore the fuck out of Kade, but I wholeheartedly agree with everything he said about what he calls ADD and DC players. I share the same frustrations exactly.

Pie for you, assface.

I'll cherish it.

Sincerely though, means a lot.

[Darling]

My biggest pet-peeve about people on TK are those that say something like "Ask to see pic." I don't get why people can't just find an appropriate picture for their profile.

'Course, I'm also one of the first people to let my morbid curiosity get the better of me and actually ask to see the pic... but that's beside the point. >.>

[Soja]

My biggest pet-peeve about people on TK are those that say something like "Ask to see pic." I don't get why people can't just find an appropriate picture for their profile.

THIS. For fuck's sake, it should be against the rules as written.

[SilverStreak]

My biggest pet-peeve about people on TK are those that say something like "Ask to see pic." I don't get why people can't just find an appropriate picture for their profile.

THIS. For fuck's sake, it should be against the rules as written.

The only situation I can foresee this being even remotely close to appropriate is if the person in question were using a r/l picture of himself/herself ... Otherwise it just screams that the the pic is too naughty to post on TK.

[Dalton]

I like those people. Some of them have helped expand my porn collection.

[Daedalus1776]

I like those people. Some of them have helped expand my porn collection.

This.

[Dalton]

Since we were recently on the topic of new characters making introductions, here's my pet peeve with that.

I hate the "meeting new people" RP that happens the vast majority of time. And it's not the effort of meeting new people, but rather the fact that the majority of people I meet play such two dimensional characters that it winds up just being a massive waste of time.

How many times have you seen this? You go into the pub (or forest, or arena, or ##hotsexygaywaterfall(private)##, or whatever) and people are standing there talking. No, not just normal people. You have like, a wizard who can bend space-time, a vampire, and an anthro unicorn with fairy powers.  So they're all just standing around, doing nothing more than expounding upon their character sheets.

"So, like, I have the power to travel through time and stuff."
"Oh, cool. Well I can turn into a bat."
"Hey, I'm curious. Are you one of those blood drinking vampires or are you sparkly?"
"Well I'm actually a special subspecies of vampire-like creatures called Vumpyres, but we look a lot like vampires. People often get us confused, so I just let them think I'm a vampire. We're almost the same anyway, except us Vumpyres have all the powers of vampires but no weaknesses."
"Oh, I see. Interesting."
"So how about you? Do you just travel through time or can you use other magic?"
"Glad you asked. I can control fire, ice, light, shadow, tree, and heart.  Unlike most wizards, I don't need to learn spells or say magic words, I just will something to happen and it happens. It's because I was born with magyck in my blood (magyck is a special power that lets you control magic) so I can control magic better than other wizards."

And on and on and on. It's all fine and dandy that everybody wants to play a character with nifty abilities and grand adventures. Hell, I NEVER play boring every day people. If I wanted to play an average, poor guy just drinking at a bar, then I'd actually go to a bar, you know? But adventures aren't going to happen if everybody's content to just sit around listing off their stats! How does that even qualify as roleplay??

[SilverStreak]

.... How many times have you seen this? You go into the pub (or forest, or arena, or ##hotsexygaywaterfall(private)##, or whatever) and people are standing there talking. No, not just normal people. You have like, a wizard who can bend space-time, a vampire, and an anthro unicorn with fairy powers.  So they're all just standing around, doing nothing more than expounding upon their character sheets...

...

...It's all fine and dandy that everybody wants to play a character with nifty abilities and grand adventures. Hell, I NEVER play boring every day people. If I wanted to play an average, poor guy just drinking at a bar, then I'd actually go to a bar, you know? But adventures aren't going to happen if everybody's content to just sit around listing off their stats! How does that even qualify as roleplay??

You know I've gotta say, I've never thought about it in quite these terms, but I am in full agreement with you here.

People seem to have a habit of forgetting that great story isn't crafted by interesting characters alone, but rather by the conflicts that those characters face, either with each other, or with forces outside of their control.

My hunch is that TK is littered with isolated, excommunicated nerds (present company excluded of course) who are so terrified of making rivals or enemies in real life (or already have such an abundance of them), that they'll stick to boring, mundane interactions that provide them with 'friends' or 'associates,' instead of rocking the boat a little for some interesting role-play.

This is also the reason, I suspect, that there seems to be an abundance of neutrally oriented characters; nobody seems interested in really making friends, or enemies ... they just want to live out their fantasy as the character instead of playing out any context for him or her. If there was a giant IC war, and everyone had to participate, I guarantee you'd have most people sitting on the sidelines as 'neutral.' -_-

Oh, and that's the other thing. What ever happened to clever villains? The guys or girls you just loved to hate? I have an obsession with altruism, but it's hard to play that out when everybody just wants to be my friend, or feigns apathy. This excludes those people who play villains that are just dicks ... The distinction is subtle, but important. I've found that a well-played baddie will, for example, lay a trap for his rival, ensare him, taunt him, and provoke an epic struggle, whereas the latter dicklier kind will just shoot at him with guns, and/or throw grenades, nukes, and/or use his uber <insert creature/occupation> powers and evade him endlessly, or (worse yet) argue OOC about how that last move he just did was totally legit and you're dead because blah blah blah...

Piggy-backing on Dalton's original point, I personally would love to see some gutsier players... (and honestly, I could afford to grow some balls myself) -- people who aren't afraid to enter a tavern, or forest, or whatever then pull out a gun, set off a bomb, chop down a tree, or whatever (just create a little hell!) ... I want to see some players put money where their mouth is and fuck some shit up without excluding anyone or seeming too egotistical and self-centered. Isn't that part of the beauty of free-form? I mean what good is it having an evil vampire character if all he/she does (as Dalton suggests) is sit around and talk about how cool it is to be a vampire? ... or vice versa, why play a cop if all he does is sit around and eat donuts?

Forgive me if I'm way off base, or even naive here... I've been RPing for the better part of 10 years, with only about the last year and a half of them being on TK. I'm still catching on to the swing of things.

Oh, and also, italics rule for emphasizing points.

[Inquisitor]

Most people just get busy and don't have the time anymore as life gets involved and their interests change. The "good ol' days" syndrome is pretty much people reminiscing because honestly, half those stories involve people that have dropped off the Internet entirely or only show up in passing. It's just how it is to get old and bitter.