Arena Discussion Thread, mk. 2

[Gigi]

How about a mod with an Iron fist? But the mod also has to be prepared for endless trolling, him / her being the victim of such things. Basically, someone that gets the job done by whatever means necessary.

Idk. Just felt like saying that, regardless of the consequences. <3

Tried the Iron Fist thing, too. It results in massive kick/bans and the nicknamed I earned myself. "Pitler", I believe? That was after I stopped being nice about it all.

Like I said before, mod has to be prepared for trolling and the likes. Personally I see nothing wrong with being named Pitler. I find it kind of cute. But then again this is ME we're talking about.

[Pitch]

Pretty sad that even with some of the people who were ACTIVE during the original debate for the Arena modship....directly contributed to the problem.

I know right?! I thought I was the only one who noticed. And then they'd get banned/kicked for being a jerk and come at me on MSN like 'I THOUGHT I WAS UR FRAND" and whatnot.

Pitcheh...you did a good job, by my standard at least. My Honest Opinion, I'd have liked to seen you become a permanent moderator for the Arena, had you not disliked it so much at the end.

Why thank you! It's a moot point, though. The trail is over regardless and all the mods/SysOps decided it was an unnecessary position.

[Pitch]

How about a mod with an Iron fist? But the mod also has to be prepared for endless trolling, him / her being the victim of such things. Basically, someone that gets the job done by whatever means necessary.

Idk. Just felt like saying that, regardless of the consequences. <3

Tried the Iron Fist thing, too. It results in massive kick/bans and the nicknamed I earned myself. "Pitler", I believe? That was after I stopped being nice about it all.

Like I said before, mod has to be prepared for trolling and the likes. Personally I see nothing wrong with being named Pitler. I find it kind of cute. But then again this is ME we're talking about.

Aye, but I was prepared for it. Soldiered through it plenty and banned, etc accordingly. Its not basic trolling I'm on about, its the need to troll after someone makes a point of me "shutting people up during a fight discussion by request" as if I did something wrong. Pointing out the hypocritical nature of the mentioned accusation. Namean? 90% of the reason I wanted a mod for the room was due to trolling, initially.

[Gigi]

Pretty sad that even with some of the people who were ACTIVE during the original debate for the Arena modship....directly contributed to the problem.

I know right?! I thought I was the only one who noticed. And then they'd get banned/kicked for being a jerk and come at me on MSN like 'I THOUGHT I WAS UR FRAND" and whatnot.

Pitcheh...you did a good job, by my standard at least. My Honest Opinion, I'd have liked to seen you become a permanent moderator for the Arena, had you not disliked it so much at the end.

Why thank you! It's a moot point, though. The trail is over regardless and all the mods/SysOps decided it was an unnecessary position.

I remember I nominated myself for mod, but er, dun think I was taken seriously. I think Pitch did a good job but I also understand that it wasn't easy. I was there. I watched stuff happen x.x But still, in the end we can post and post, debate and debate and there's nothing we can do because it's ultimately up to the SysOp to decide here. Sadly nothing seems to be getting done, nor are decent and respectable roleplayers feelings being taken into consideration, but oh no! Heaven forbid such a thing were to happen in the Forest or in the MH. Then you know they'd be all over this stuff. Arena people are generally more rowdy than some, I'll give you that but let us remember that it is also a default room.

If you want to grow a garden you have to tend to it.

[Kade]

Alright. Seems the majority of forum-goers want a mod with an iron fist. Try it. See what happens. I'll be there to say "I told you so," when the dust settles.

LuX, Han, thanks for not reading a word I said. /sarcasm.

Honestly the pain of the OOC is a very mild ache compared to the migraine of a Mod.

A mod was already tried. It didn't work. It didn't make the arena any more of a RP-Eden than it was prior to having a Mod. Now you want an even *more* strict mod? Good luck. It just strikes me as barbaric. "Plan A: Fire."  "Plan B: Twice as much Fire! It's gotta work!"

[Gigi]

Kade, I'd like to see you be a mod. See if you're still going to say the same thing. So far I've seen the nice approach being taken, followed by the polite warning. Then the actual soft kick / ban. But people never cease. No offense, but in your case I think more time will be spent OOCing / Arguing than actual modship seeing as how you were quite the lively one when it came to arguing points of view when it came to IC moves and such. =B

[LoX]

Alright. Seems the majority of forum-goers want a mod with an iron fist. Try it. See what happens. I'll be there to say "I told you so," when the dust settles.

LuX, Han, thanks for not reading a word I said. /sarcasm.

Honestly the pain of the OOC is a very mild ache compared to the migraine of a Mod.

A mod was already tried. It didn't work. It didn't make the arena any more of a RP-Eden than it was prior to having a Mod. Now you want an even *more* strict mod? Good luck. It just strikes me as barbaric. "Plan A: Fire."  "Plan B: Twice as much Fire! It's gotta work!"

Maybe when you stop using insulting undertones to your posts, people will actually begin to listen to what you have to say, my friend. More flies with honey than vinegar.

[-=Styles=-]

How about we try an original idea which was proffered numerous times over.

Lead by example. Like it's been mentioned (and some people fail to comprehend this to the simplest level) Just be considerate of the other RPers.


There is no solution. No logistic approach to stop such a powerful force that is the OOC. (*cough*)There is no solution to what looks like a problem...because it's not a problem if we don't let it become one, initially. As simple a concept as that seems, it usually the best tactic (for obvious reasons). Everyone has done there part to assist and aid in the ways they saw fit, or at least those that knew about this whole situation. Really, it just comes down to a level of ettiquette. What's acceptable by the AUP may not be acceptable by another player, or vice versa, or even according to the discretion of a Mod.

And let's face it....OOC is going to happen....it's a fucking inevitability...and trying to stop all of it all the time is a true exercise in futility.

[-=Styles=-]

Alright. Seems the majority of forum-goers want a mod with an iron fist. Try it. See what happens. I'll be there to say "I told you so," when the dust settles.

LuX, Han, thanks for not reading a word I said. /sarcasm.

Honestly the pain of the OOC is a very mild ache compared to the migraine of a Mod.

A mod was already tried. It didn't work. It didn't make the arena any more of a RP-Eden than it was prior to having a Mod. Now you want an even *more* strict mod? Good luck. It just strikes me as barbaric. "Plan A: Fire."  "Plan B: Twice as much Fire! It's gotta work!"

Maybe when you stop using insulting undertones to your posts, people will actually begin to listen to what you have to say, my friend. More flies with honey than vinegar.

Try to taste what you're serving. Your condescending attitude in general is a direct contribution to your hypocrisy.

[-=Styles=-]

A Wonderful Quote from our Beloved kit

16:58:02 [Ahrimar] The over dramatification causes boohooery, and people to be winey bitches which ultimately make the problem worse :\. That is all.

....Took him one line. Absolutely beautiful, lol.

[Kade]

Kade, I'd like to see you be a mod. See if you're still going to say the same thing. So far I've seen the nice approach being taken, followed by the polite warning. Then the actual soft kick / ban. But people never cease. No offense, but in your case I think more time will be spent OOCing / Arguing than actual modship seeing as how you were quite the lively one when it came to arguing points of view when it came to IC moves and such. =B

If I were a mod I would do virtually nothing. I'd let people continue as they usually do. Arena-goers would, I think, continue to generally shut up when RP is happening. The repeat-abusers would continue to get /ignore'd. The whiney RPers would continue to cite every single line of OOC -- pertaining to RP or not -- as yet another reason that a (new) mod should be instated. The Arena would continue to be no worse than a slightly-more-active Forest, and people would continue to complain about things they *perceive* as problems. Meanwhile, in reality, I'll be continuing to RP as usual with very little to complain about (except the constant 'sky is falling' attitude some people have over the arena).

[-=Styles=-]

No one will ever quite fit the bill as an Arena mod properly, either. So Let's not forget that. The populace of the Arena is/was generally accepting of the notion at first, because all thought they would have a hand in on the situation, and be allowed to pull strings because they were friends with, or had some sort of significant association with, the nominees. (not everyone, just a generalization for arguement's sake) Then...when they found out that they didn't get what they wanted....lo and behold...the tides turned against the one they favored.

Someone will always be opposed to the person placed in power, regardless of popularity or genuine impartial standpoint. Everyone wants their own way, and there's too many people to be able to corral and exemplify a definitive 'course of action' for the supposed problem. Being mostly a popularity contest, since every and all assiciated with this topic that were nominated are those who frequent the arena, it's safe to say that the probability of failure is still high, no matter who's in charge.

[MadMusician]

No one will ever quite fit the bill as an Arena mod properly, either. So Let's not forget that. The populace of the Arena is/was generally accepting of the notion at first, because all thought they would have a hand in on the situation, and be allowed to pull strings because they were friends with, or had some sort of significant association with, the nominees. (not everyone, just a generalization for arguement's sake) Then...when they found out that they didn't get what they wanted....lo and behold...the tides turned against the one they favored.

Someone will always be opposed to the person placed in power, regardless of popularity or genuine impartial standpoint. Everyone wants their own way, and there's too many people to be able to corral and exemplify a definitive 'course of action' for the supposed problem. Being mostly a popularity contest, since every and all assiciated with this topic that were nominated are those who frequent the arena, it's safe to say that the probability of failure is still high, no matter who's in charge.

I do believe I pointed this fact out in the first thread, although indirectly. And now, it's happening again.

If you want a responsible mod, you will -all- have to think long, hard, and honestly about it. Who's the -least- doushebaggy person around that at the very least -seems- like they can handle any kind of responsibility aside for catering to friends?

If you can't think of anyone, the problem either isn't that bad, or it's so incredibly bad that nobody can think of someone that perfect. Also don't cater to the interlopers. AKA those which are in the arena a minimal of the time, yet create the biggest fuss EVAH about it.

[Soja]

If ever were there to be another Arena mod, it would have to be someone of high authority (a global moderator) or someone from outside the regular clique, seeing how people got butthurt when the resident ex-mod did her damn job to the letter and formerly mentioned people mistakenly thought that she was gonna let them slide on the regs just because they're friends.

[Kade]

So far the suggestions are... what?

1. Arena regular should be a mod to handle the Arena crowd. (Original idea discussed in old thread.)
2. Non-arena regular so there's no accusations of favoritism. (Soja)
3. A mod that adheres strictly to rules and puts up with no bullshit. (LoX, Han, Gigi)
4. A mod that is not strict enough as to be blind to when people are trolling the loopholes. (Auvic)
5. No mod. (Me, Styles, Jao, MAY!, Ahrimar, etc)

Honestly, it's rare that I agree with Auvic on anything, but I think he's making the most sense so far. Of the pro-mod people, at least.

Also, Pitcheh did a million times better than a 2. or 3. mod could ever hope for. I'd rather see her take the mantle up again than have 2 or 3 happen.

[Yes, I realize some of these categories can overlap. For example, you can have a non-arena regular that is also aware of people trolling loopholes.]

[Auvic]

Let it be said that as a whole, I'm pretty ambivalent as to whether the Arena has a mod or not, especially since I hardly frequent the place much, anymore - but under the assumption that there would be a mod in place, s/he would need to be able to make the personal call as to when something is legitimate, and when something is trolling. It's not against the rules/AUP per se, but I have a feeling it should/likely should fall under the category of "RP-disrupting OOC" that this whole shpeal is about.

At the time, when this issue first came about, I did visit - and RP from time to time - in the Arena, so the regulation of OOC in the room was of some importance to me.
Now, of course, I don't RP in there - so my opinion's probably at least a little irrelevant.

That said, of course: For a place like the Arena, it is the users that RP that ought to be making important decisions such as these. Not people like LoX, that have only just recently returned, and haven't set foot in the Arena because "I was told it was baaaad" and God forbid he bother to take the fifteen seconds it takes to see for himself.
Hence what I said about the Arena turning it into an IC/OOC room. If the RPers - not the people who come in to OOC only/majority of the time - decide they can deal with people OOCing during their RP, then fine and dandy.

Nobody's forcing anyone to RP anywhere. If you don't like it, make your own room, etc etc. There's always other options, and I'm entirely in favor of people using their heads more and whining less.
Then again, if the people who continue to RP in the Arena decide that something needs to change, then by all means - let it be so.

Silent majorities, and all that.

[Moondog]

Let it be said that as a whole, I'm pretty ambivalent as to whether the Arena has a mod or not, especially since I hardly frequent the place much, anymore - but under the assumption that there would be a mod in place, s/he would need to be able to make the personal call as to when something is legitimate, and when something is trolling. It's not against the rules/AUP per se, but I have a feeling it should/likely should fall under the category of "RP-disrupting OOC" that this whole shpeal is about.  At the time, when this issue first came about, I did visit - and RP from time to time - in the Arena, so the regulation of OOC in the room was of some importance to me.
Now, of course, I don't RP in there - so my opinion's probably at least a little irrelevant.

That said, of course: For a place like the Arena, it is the users that RP that ought to be making important decisions such as these. Not people like LoX, that have only just recently returned, and haven't set foot in the Arena because "I was told it was baaaad" and God forbid he bother to take the fifteen seconds it takes to see for himself.
Hence what I said about the Arena turning it into an IC/OOC room. If the RPers - not the people who come in to OOC only/majority of the time - decide they can deal with people OOCing during their RP, then fine and dandy.

Nobody's forcing anyone to RP anywhere. If you don't like it, make your own room, etc etc. There's always other options, and I'm entirely in favor of people using their heads more and whining less.
Then again, if the people who continue to RP in the Arena decide that something needs to change, then by all means - let it be so.

Silent majorities, and all that.

9. Any user who persistently talks (as opposed to whispers) Out Of Character in In-Character only rooms will be asked to role-play;

failure to comply may result to kicking or any punishment deemed appropriate by the administrative staff.

Sure it is~

[Auvic]

Trolling using posts to do so, Moon. It's not technically OOC if it's presented in an RP format, is it?

All of that was in reference to what I said earlier, though.

[Moondog]

Sure it is.

Example:

UserA is asked to quell the OOC.

UserA actions "UserA ICly turns to UserB" and continues the OOC banter, under the paper thin guise of IC that fools nobody.

Totally still OOC.

[Auvic]

Oh, mods can make that sort've judgment without cronies a, b, and c jumping in and claiming mod korr-

Well, I suppose they'd do that anyway, and suchlike. /shrug.
I don't pretend to know just what mods can and cannot do, after all. If that example is moot, then so much the better!

[-=Styles=-]

The Arena doesn't need a Moderator. The people within the Arena could simply be more tolerable to the goings on within the room. Trolls are trolls, and they do exactly what they do to stir up a bunch of shit. Them stirring it up...well DUH....do I even need to say it?

[Kade]

July 22, 2010

RP'd for 4 hours in the Arena with no problems.

[-=Styles=-]

Not a big surprise....as by now people have learned that when there's RP going on...it's time to shut up. Trolls seem to be the problem, more or less, and reacting to them is what causes the eruption of OOC. (Like it even needed to be said)

[TheMadHatter]

/runs into the conversation.

I just want to say...I think Pitcheh did the best she could with all that chaos. Though, I didn't realize she wasn't a mod anymore until I seen this thread. No matter...The problem is not just one person can be mod of the Arena. There needs to be several for it to work. So when everyone is jumping on Pitcheh for doing modly things, she has back up...for example.

/tips hat and runs back out. FLeee!

[Kade]

Lots of RP in the arena all day yesterday. No mod was needed.