Is it time to talk about HAITI yet?

[Jason Baane]

Yes, though I wouldn't say 'fault.' I don't think the Haitian people are necessarily a problem that should be considered someone's fault. I do, however, think their internal problems are their own doing and throwing money at them will help the average Hatian just as much as monetary aid helps Africans - that is it doesn't, and for the exact same reasons.

Current conspiracy theory, however - pitched by Russia and supported by Venezuela - is that the United States tested a new earthquake bomb on Haiti that we were planning on using on Iran.

[Pink]

Yes, though I wouldn't say 'fault.' I don't think the Haitian people are necessarily a problem that should be considered someone's fault. I do, however, think their internal problems are their own doing and throwing money at them will help the average Hatian just as much as monetary aid helps Africans - that is it doesn't, and for the exact same reasons.

Current conspiracy theory, however - pitched by Russia and supported by Venezuela - is that the United States tested a new earthquake bomb on Haiti that we were planning on using on Iran.

I think that you're severely misinformed on this, nor is this the place to complain about political ideology. People are suffering. Conspiracy theories, politics and things that should or should not be done can go elsewhere. This thread is purely about helping people, please do not bring such negativity into it.
In fact, to quote Hatian president, René Préval "We are talking about people suffering and you are talking about ideology,"

If you don't believe that the aid efforts and money are going to help, then here's a couple of popular blogs for you.
http://yele.org/
http://www.operationsmile.org/haiti/

Contreversies notwithstanding, there's physical evidence of the efforts being put forth by groups and organizations.

[Jason Baane]

I think that you're severely misinformed on this,

Says you.

People are suffering.

People suffer all over, all the time. Do you care?

Nope, judging by past conversations with you.

This thread is purely about helping people,

No it's not. Because the money you donate will be used to rebuild an ass-backwards society where people suffered under perpetual gang wars anyway.

The only thing that will 'help' the Haitains is for the country to be reformatted all together.

If you don't believe that the aid efforts and money are going to help, then here's a couple of popular blogs for you.
http://yele.org/
http://www.operationsmile.org/haiti/

PFFFT HAHA!

Yes, blogs are the utmost authority on everything.  

[Lugh]

baane stop shitting on this thread what a fucking grinch you are

[Kai_Doll]

Honestly, Jason. This was NOT a thread to start debates or a flame war.

If you nothing nice to say and nothing positive to contribute then keep your fingers off the keyboard and refrain from posting shit.

Thank you.

[Jason Baane]

Lol, right. "flaming."

Yeah, I'm starting up a "flame war" because I don't think throwing money at a problem that can't be fixed by throwing money at it is a good idea.

That's cool. We've seen it several dozen times in our life times, but let's go ahead and try this experiment just one more time and cross our fingers. Maybe if we wish really, really hard Haiti will spontaneously turn into a country that contributes rather than a black hole that sucks in endless streams of money to no effect.

[G-Man]

Classy Jason. How about you stick to rants about your rp and stop shitting on people who want to genuinely help other human beings?

That said, even a $10 text to the red cross can do a world of good. Text Haiti to 90999. I think this was posted already, but it can't hurt to mention it again.

[Kai_Doll]

It doesn't always has to be about money, some of us just simply can't afford to give away cash but there are other ways to help by donating any old and unwanted clothes and shoes. Just make sure that they are in good condition, not full of holes and clean before you bag them up.

For those of you involved in the arts and are artists, photographers, etc: Why not get together and donate a painting each and then hold an art auction to donate the profits? It's something that I'm trying to look into doing with the artistic community in my area.

If you have a lot of clutter like books, toys, games, etc, it might be worthwhile to hold a yard sale and then donate to charity rather than donating them outright.

[Jason Baane]

Classy Jason. How about you stick to rants about your rp and stop shitting on people who want to genuinely help other human beings?

I will once you go back to Elementary School and learn the basics of reading comprehension.

I like how "won't go out of his way to donate money to a country that has required financial bailouts and international intervention several times within this decade alone because MSNBC and some internet blogs say you're racist if you don't" translates to "heartless bastard who doesn't want to help people."

But alas, this is the internet.

[Bane]

Token of my indifference.

[Pink]

Classy Jason. How about you stick to rants about your rp and stop shitting on people who want to genuinely help other human beings?

I will once you go back to Elementary School and learn the basics of reading comprehension.

I like how "won't go out of his way to donate money to a country that has required financial bailouts and international intervention several times within this decade alone because MSNBC and some internet blogs say you're racist if you don't" translates to "heartless bastard who doesn't want to help people."

But alas, this is the internet.

Well, Jason. What is your aim here in the thread? If you aren't heartless and you DO want to help people, then what are you going to do about this situation?

[Kai_Doll]

Honestly, I already said this thread wasn't opened for debate. It was opened for people, people who had something positive and useful to say to post their ideas forward and contribute what they can. Not only are you being ultimately disrespectful to the nature of this thread but I also think you have no damn clue of what you speak of and as I said, if you have nothing useful to say and nothing positive to contribute then shut up and take your damn shit somewhere else.

[Inquisitor]

Guys, just stop posting to him, jesus.

[Jason Baane]

Classy Jason. How about you stick to rants about your rp and stop shitting on people who want to genuinely help other human beings?

I will once you go back to Elementary School and learn the basics of reading comprehension.

I like how "won't go out of his way to donate money to a country that has required financial bailouts and international intervention several times within this decade alone because MSNBC and some internet blogs say you're racist if you don't" translates to "heartless bastard who doesn't want to help people."

But alas, this is the internet.

Well, Jason. What is your aim here in the thread? If you aren't heartless and you DO want to help people, then what are you going to do about this situation?

First of all, I'm not insulting my own intelligence by believing that any amount of money I donate will have any impact on the living quality of the Haitian people - even when added to the rest of the money going into that black hole of an anomaly.

There are only two things (excluding divine intervention which not everyone believes in) that can help the situation over there; and only one of which the average person can provide.

The first, which the common person cannot do, is to have a higher power (the UN, for example,) replace and rebuild the government of Haiti into one that can provide for its people rather than serve as a perpetual battle ground for warlords and drug dealers that wind up not only causing severe damage to the common folk who live there, but eventually seep into the rest of the world.

The second, which the common person can provide, is raw material in the form of necessities - clothing being the most obvious item. This I have donated in ample amounts. How much? Well, I don't think posting it will matter or change the validity of my donation. Posting these pictures of your cel phones as proof that you guys donated is just evidence that this isn't about helping people; it's about your self indulgence.

No amount of monetary aid to Haiti will help, because as soon as the support ships leave it'll go right back to being a den of warlords and gangsters. People will still suffer just as bad as they ever have, and the international community will just have to return and bail them out at a later date just as we've always had to do.

But none of you are going to give a shit, because you got a chance to prove you aren't racist by throwing paper at people who will never see a single dime of it; and then ostracizing anybody who isn't a gullible sheep.

[Kai_Doll]

Finally, a somewhat sensible answer instead of just -RANTRANTRANT.-

[Jason Baane]

Finally, a somewhat sensible answer instead of just -RANTRANTRANT.-

My last post was every bit as much of a rant as my former posts. Actually, considerably more so. This indicates that you do not, in fact, actually know what a rant is.

[G-Man]

Yes, Keith Olberman(sp?) or whoever it is on MSNBC you hate called us racist, and so to prove we're not we started a thread to ego-circlejerk while giving money to 'dem po' black peoples' in Haiti. And of course, since we know the Red Cross is a bureaucracy that just lines it's own pockets with donation money and never moves to help anyone with anything, we're basically spending $10 on a get out of racism free card. Because certainly, they wouldn't use the money to buy medical supplies and clothing and water, they just stick it in a t-shirt cannon and shoot it in strip clubs to make it rain like a motherfucker. Because that's baller.

I know Haiti is all evil all the time, and everyone there is a drug dealer, but dammit, I need my ego fix so I can go beat off in front of my backlit mirror later. But damn, you, a REAL MAN, have caught on to us. Kudos to you, Super Sleuth.

[Jason Baane]

Yes, Keith Olberman(sp?) or whoever it is on MSNBC you hate called us racist, and so to prove we're not we started a thread to ego-circlejerk while giving money to 'dem po' black peoples' in Haiti. And of course, since we know the Red Cross is a bureaucracy that just lines it's own pockets with donation money and never moves to help anyone with anything, we're basically spending $10 on a get out of racism free card. Because certainly, they wouldn't use the money to buy medical supplies and clothing and water, they just stick it in a t-shirt cannon and shoot it in strip clubs to make it rain like a motherfucker. Because that's baller.

I know Haiti is all evil all the time, and everyone there is a drug dealer, but dammit, I need my ego fix so I can go beat off in front of my backlit mirror later. But damn, you, a REAL MAN, have caught on to us. Kudos to you, Super Sleuth.

Knee-jerk reaction is knee-jerk.

If you can show me where I said that all Haitian people were drug dealers, I'll eat my coat.

You can't, of course, because I never said it. It's a fabrication from your overactive little imagination - and I suspect this post is a 100% accurate representation of the psyche of everyone who has been emotionally scarred by my otherwise tame posts.

[Kai_Doll]

You're a fucking drama whore. Please shut the fuck up.

[G-Man]

Hyperbole is hyperbole.

[Inquisitor]

All three of you, stop shitting up this thread.

[Jason Baane]

Hyperbole is hyperbole.

Yes, Keith Olberman(sp?) or whoever it is on MSNBC you hate called us racist, and so to prove we're not we started a thread to ego-circlejerk while giving money to 'dem po' black peoples' in Haiti. And of course, since we know the Red Cross is a bureaucracy that just lines it's own pockets with donation money and never moves to help anyone with anything, we're basically spending $10 on a get out of racism free card. Because certainly, they wouldn't use the money to buy medical supplies and clothing and water, they just stick it in a t-shirt cannon and shoot it in strip clubs to make it rain like a motherfucker. Because that's baller.

I know Haiti is all evil all the time, and everyone there is a drug dealer, but dammit, I need my ego fix so I can go beat off in front of my backlit mirror later. But damn, you, a REAL MAN, have caught on to us. Kudos to you, Super Sleuth.

lol

To be truthful I went into this thread with well enough intentions, but this shit just got hilarious pretty quickly.

Oh dear.

Alright, that's enough for me.

[Pink]

Classy Jason. How about you stick to rants about your rp and stop shitting on people who want to genuinely help other human beings?

I will once you go back to Elementary School and learn the basics of reading comprehension.

I like how "won't go out of his way to donate money to a country that has required financial bailouts and international intervention several times within this decade alone because MSNBC and some internet blogs say you're racist if you don't" translates to "heartless bastard who doesn't want to help people."

But alas, this is the internet.

Well, Jason. What is your aim here in the thread? If you aren't heartless and you DO want to help people, then what are you going to do about this situation?

First of all, I'm not insulting my own intelligence by believing that any amount of money I donate will have any impact on the living quality of the Haitian people - even when added to the rest of the money going into that black hole of an anomaly.

There are only two things (excluding divine intervention which not everyone believes in) that can help the situation over there; and only one of which the average person can provide.

The first, which the common person cannot do, is to have a higher power (the UN, for example,) replace and rebuild the government of Haiti into one that can provide for its people rather than serve as a perpetual battle ground for warlords and drug dealers that wind up not only causing severe damage to the common folk who live there, but eventually seep into the rest of the world.

The second, which the common person can provide, is raw material in the form of necessities - clothing being the most obvious item. This I have donated in ample amounts. How much? Well, I don't think posting it will matter or change the validity of my donation. Posting these pictures of your cel phones as proof that you guys donated is just evidence that this isn't about helping people; it's about your self indulgence.

No amount of monetary aid to Haiti will help, because as soon as the support ships leave it'll go right back to being a den of warlords and gangsters. People will still suffer just as bad as they ever have, and the international community will just have to return and bail them out at a later date just as we've always had to do.

But none of you are going to give a shit, because you got a chance to prove you aren't racist by throwing paper at people who will never see a single dime of it; and then ostracizing anybody who isn't a gullible sheep.

As a person of partial Hatian ancestry, you really offended me.
But still, thank you for donating. All we really would have liked was for you to say that you had donated material goods, which would have been done to encourage others to do so.

The purpose of posting images and to say that you have been donating is to encourage others and provide a sense of community for those who are helping in any way they can. It also shows others how easy it is to in fact help and facilitates them doing so. Also, it's for proof so that we can reward people or simply thank them for being involved.

We're trying to show that tK has a community that's better than people starting flamewars on forums, complaining about RP or being involved in..well, trivial matters in comparison. However, your posts have really been working against that.
So, thank you for your concern, but otherwise please do not post here again. The situation does not need you derailing it. Again, if you want to criticise, open your own thread.


Thanks again.

[Jason Baane]

I can see you're trying to take the high road. I was perfectly willing to leave this be, seeing as this community is prone to becoming emotionally charged at virtually nothing, but now I'm being provoked into staying. Allow me to outline where your [not really an] attempt failed.

As a person of partial Hatian ancestry, you really offended me.

F

If this was about honestly helping people then your ancestry shouldn't matter.

The purpose of posting images and to say that you have been donating is to encourage others and provide a sense of community for those who are helping in any way they can.

F

By sense of community you of course mean egocentric circle-jerk that amounts to nothing more than "hey, I donated. People suffer all over, all the time. I don't give a shit about any of that, but This time it's on the news! That makes me cool, right?"

If you're honestly doing it to help people, you don't need a thanks beyond the fact that you did so.

But, then again, I am talking to Pink - the elitist ringleader of the art forum who dismisses select types of art as unworthy of inclusion.

We're trying to show that tK has a community that's better than people starting flamewars on forums, complaining about RP or being involved in..well, trivial matters in comparison.

F

Making a not-so-subtle attack and reference to an old thread that you actively chose to read even though it in no way called for your participation in particular.

So, thank you for your concern, but otherwise please do not post here again. The situation does not need you derailing it. Again, if you want to criticise, open your own thread.

F

Not my fault that the 'community' actively chose to take my words out of context, misinterpret them, and blow it out of proportion.

[G-Man]

Good stuff. Moving along, there was a story on the news about a lawyer who flew to Haiti with nothing but his clothes and his blackberry, and used Twitter to coordinate with other volunteers on the ground and managed to reunite a family. So warm fuzzies, all around.